Good quote. It could mean different things to different people. To me, we are losing land(forests) every day because of the environmentalists shutting the land down to people, but in their opinion, they are saving it... Saving it for what?
I think they think they are saving the forests for animals. But the forests are our forests too, right? I need them to ride my mountain bike in, camping, fishing, hike in, etc. If the environmentalists keep the forests from people, there would be more danger in the cities(crime, car accidents, abuse, etc.). Mountains make people better people. You know what I am saying?
Of course I know what you are saying, except in my mind I am thinking Caineville, Moab etc. Going to these places makes our family stronger. Yes, I believe that we are part of nature too, and I believe that our interests are more important than the animals. We do have a responsibility being on the top of the food chain to manage the land, but not at our own expense. The people that want to shut the land down are not the ones that are using it, so they don't care.
Dan that was a very insightful comment on crime rates being directly related to people's nature exposure. I wonder if that is realy the case. It seems so to me.
Being in nature kept me out of trouble too. One of my friends got into drugs and I just stayed away from those kind of people and fled to the mountains. The mountains kept me out of danger.
The wild places, forrests or mountains, do give people a different perspective on life and we should all be able to go there. Yet don't we also have an obligation to protect them for generations to come? Sometimes you have to strike a balance.
That is EXACTLY why I get so outraged over meaningless land closures! I want my kids to enjoy the things I have enjoyed. I want to be able to enjoy these things with my children as they grow and have kids of thier own. The off road community is doing much more than any of the radical environmental groups to protect the land we enjoy for EVERYONE. I have personally been involved in many clean-up efforts with local clubs, state-wide clubs etc. not to mention the clean-up we do every time we go out, so yes it is very, very important to me. Recently there was 190 thousand acres of prime utah desert closed because some environmentalists found a certain subspecies of a cactus and tried to draw a connection between it's possible demise to the limited human activity in the area. I have friends that grew up riding the area around factory butte with their kids. Now, no human will ever see the area again. Surely we are smart enough to be able to protect a cactus in some other way! And if it does go extinct...what price should we put on our families and our freedom to enjoy the land where we live! It may as well be extinct now because no human will ever see the cactus again, let alone the majestic desert landscape that is now extinct to humans as well. No one even had an interest in the area before it started to get popular enough with dirt bikes to get noticed, now all of the sudden we need to protect it from the idividuals and families that have enjoyed it and protected it for decades.
I agree with Tony (suprize) how are we saving it for our kids if we close it down to travel. Is there a stipulation there that it will reopen for our kids? I know they say you can hike but how do you safely take 3 small kids deep into the desert. Or what about my cousin who is in a wheelchair he is just out of luck I guess.
Here in Ephraim, it's more like farmers are buying land and turning it into private land, not for environmental reasons, maybe they just don't want anybody there. There are a lot places here I can't ride on anymore, except the Race Loop, I asked for permission and they said I can only ride a bike on it but not drive a vehicle or a four wheeler on it. It's probably because I am special or something.
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Good quote. It could mean different things to different people. To me, we are losing land(forests) every day because of the environmentalists shutting the land down to people, but in their opinion, they are saving it... Saving it for what?
for someone who is in jail, forests might be the only thing he will not get to see or enjoy
I think they think they are saving the forests for animals. But the forests are our forests too, right? I need them to ride my mountain bike in, camping, fishing, hike in, etc. If the environmentalists keep the forests from people, there would be more danger in the cities(crime, car accidents, abuse, etc.). Mountains make people better people. You know what I am saying?
Of course I know what you are saying, except in my mind I am thinking Caineville, Moab etc. Going to these places makes our family stronger. Yes, I believe that we are part of nature too, and I believe that our interests are more important than the animals. We do have a responsibility being on the top of the food chain to manage the land, but not at our own expense. The people that want to shut the land down are not the ones that are using it, so they don't care.
..we like the "mountains" too of course, not just Caineville, Moab..
Dan that was a very insightful comment on crime rates being directly related to people's nature exposure. I wonder if that is realy the case. It seems so to me.
It definitley kept me out of trouble growing up, although mom thought dirt bikes and jeeps were trouble. :)
Being in nature kept me out of trouble too. One of my friends got into drugs and I just stayed away from those kind of people and fled to the mountains. The mountains kept me out of danger.
mtns are high, that is something else to think avout
The wild places, forrests or mountains, do give people a different perspective on life and we should all be able to go there. Yet don't we also have an obligation to protect them for generations to come? Sometimes you have to strike a balance.
Of course.
That is EXACTLY why I get so outraged over meaningless land closures! I want my kids to enjoy the things I have enjoyed. I want to be able to enjoy these things with my children as they grow and have kids of thier own. The off road community is doing much more than any of the radical environmental groups to protect the land we enjoy for EVERYONE. I have personally been involved in many clean-up efforts with local clubs, state-wide clubs etc. not to mention the clean-up we do every time we go out, so yes it is very, very important to me. Recently there was 190 thousand acres of prime utah desert closed because some environmentalists found a certain subspecies of a cactus and tried to draw a connection between it's possible demise to the limited human activity in the area. I have friends that grew up riding the area around factory butte with their kids. Now, no human will ever see the area again. Surely we are smart enough to be able to protect a cactus in some other way! And if it does go extinct...what price should we put on our families and our freedom to enjoy the land where we live! It may as well be extinct now because no human will ever see the cactus again, let alone the majestic desert landscape that is now extinct to humans as well. No one even had an interest in the area before it started to get popular enough with dirt bikes to get noticed, now all of the sudden we need to protect it from the idividuals and families that have enjoyed it and protected it for decades.
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I agree with Tony (suprize) how are we saving it for our kids if we close it down to travel. Is there a stipulation there that it will reopen for our kids? I know they say you can hike but how do you safely take 3 small kids deep into the desert. Or what about my cousin who is in a wheelchair he is just out of luck I guess.
Here in Ephraim, it's more like farmers are buying land and turning it into private land, not for environmental reasons, maybe they just don't want anybody there. There are a lot places here I can't ride on anymore, except the Race Loop, I asked for permission and they said I can only ride a bike on it but not drive a vehicle or a four wheeler on it. It's probably because I am special or something.
daniel time for a new post
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